Thank's for the reply guy's,...i'm gonna try the bh209 this weekend an may even try some pyrodex rs, i bought an extra breechplug when i ordered this rifle.i don't think many people shoot the vision much, it does have a lop, but fit's me great......gonna take a few different bullet's with me an see what she like's, heck i've got all weekend just to do some shooting.this is my 1st time out this yr doing any shooting an i can't wait....lol