just finished shooting a cva hawken built in 1986, beautiful shooter! 80gr 3f pyrodex P, 370gr maxiball, cci #11 mag cap, took 3 shots with a wad and ended up with a 3" string at 50 yards. Removed the wad and took 3 more shots which went directly through a hole that was there from the other shots. Im lucky i slightly pulled one otherwise i would have felt that i missed completely. You could cover those 4 shots "3 actually" with a nickel.