I really appreciate all the advice I have gotten guys. Going to learn that gutless method for sure. Its quite nice to see the brotherhood of hunters still has so many. If I can ever offer you guys some help hunting Turkey in the southwestern part of Virginia or offer up some 30 inch rainbow trout fishing (called steelhead here) in Ohio including a place to stay for the trip let me know. Would offer some deer hunting but honestly the area in Virginia doesnt hold much in quality and here where I live in Ohio there isnt much in accessability.