You might be right (about entry level) and you are dertainly entiltled to your own thoughts... the current Vision & Wolverine are $290...

And this is my opinion ONLY - they are both quality guns with Green Mountain barrels. They may not be in the Apex class but certainly I would consider one of them before a Wolf, but again that is just me.

And I as I said before a Jeep is way overpriced for what you get also, but you bought one and put how much more money in it??? I remember you posted it once but I forgot the value.

Besides Muley you have one goal in life - start and maintain discussions that do not go your way.