Going back to the original post at the start of the thread, I do find it disturbing. I have always enjoyed reading Toby's stuff. I have always had a love for Knight rifles in common with Toby...until he changed his tune recently. I did find it interesting how Toby would so quickly abandon his business relationships so quickly. Many will recall that he broke his relationship with his previous internet domain company so quickly that his former webiste was off the net overnight. I don't know the details, and don't really care to. After reading what Wakeman had to say, I do feel a little vindicated that the new Knight company is not bad or out to defraud the public. I still feel safe in planning to buy a Mountaineer some day. But...I really hate to see this whole thing happen. It doesn't do anyone any good.