finally got time to post this on here!! saw one buck as soon as i got in the stand but he came running by. didnt see anything til about 20 mins b4 end of shooting time when i heard a stick break and here this guys comes out at 20 yds. they usually never get this close b4 i hear them but he did and with a lil luck i was able to get ready and make the shot at 25 yds. he only went 20 yds b4 expiring. muzzy' s get the job done!!! so far ive seen 5 that were bigger then him so im gonna hold out for one of those guys!! this is my 9th deer in 5 yrs and 7 of them were with a bow.