I have handled them and they are kind of chunky block style built. I thought of going to a .380 Hi Point because they are as small a pistol at they get from that company. Then I was able to watch one being fired on a range on afternoon. It was a .40 S&W. I wish I could have shot it. But that was not the case. The person that was shooting was not a good shot, and actually he should have shot at a closer range. But if the target was a person... they would have been dead. They also make a carbine.