Im just saying everyone now days thinks you have to have a big gun to kill effectively, that is not true. The truth is you dont need anything bigger than a 30-06 to kill anything walking. Jack Oconners wife used a 30-06 with 220gr bullets to kill her elephant, Killamanjaro Bell killed more elephants than anyone in the world, using a 7x57, and peoples attitude today will suggest that the 30-06 is a minumum elk round and the 7x57 is only good for moderate range deer. My how annimals have gotten tougher over the years. LOL.