Wow that thing about the duct tape sounds pretty smart i bet that does work. Is Sawyers something that's sold everywhere i have never heard of it I always got Repel/Off Deep Woods? Maybe that's not quite as good. The other thing I was wondering and maybe someone has the answer to this is why is this year way worse than any other year. I went out unprotected yesterday with just jeans and work boots and i got inside i had about 10 on my pants and 3 up my sleeves. I mean i can remember getting one or two in the past but never like this. And after you find one it feels like you can feel them all over.