Browning, thanks for the website...and sitter as far as the kick back of the legs...(not to start ne thing) i' ve seen deer kick back their legs for a heart shot and lung shot...also i' ve been told that if they kick back their legs, its a heart shot, and from my uncles p.o.v. its a gut shot if they kick their legs...and to tell u the truth i dunno wut 2 believe ne more!!!LOL!!