I have Predator Deception pants and shirt and it seems the deer just ignore me. Last year I hunted in 3D seclusion and every deer that went by wondered what the huge dark blob was in the tree. Most did not spook, but I got real good at staying still under the pressure of a hard stare. This year deer have looked but just tail flicked and kept grazing or moving along. Predator works for me just limited options. I am going to try Skyline and see what suits they offer. Once a customer receives bad service they will on the average tell 6 other potential customers. Looks like more than that with ASAT orders.