Thanks for the replies guys I guess I' ll try using more bags and see how that goes for me. If for some reason I still can' t get it to a decent steady, then I' ll fork out the bucks for the Bulls Bag. At least now I know what part of my problem was. I was hunching when I was trying to sight it in. Not anything near to being comfortable. Dang, from the way it sounds, it' s hard to get marksmen type accuracy. I use a 3-9 scope, so I might get something like the 24 you use, just so I can see/learn about the heartbeat issue. Just out of curiosity, how accurate do you need to get in order to deer hunt? I pretty much decided to pass this years deer season because I don' t think it' s fair to wound one just so I can say I tried. I figure I' ll start with squirrels, and try some coyote to get some experience. If I wound a yote, I won' t feel so bad. But yea, how accurate should I be considering the kill zone is bigger than 1 inch?