You win! I don't care to get in a pissing match when my intent was only to help a guy that probably doesn't even know what a bore snake is, LOL! There have been so many guys on here that have told him to do just the opposite of what the next guy said, like don't clean the bore, clean the bore from the breech end, clean the bore from the crown end, etc. The poor SOB is probably shaking his head and wondering why the he** he asked and gave up by the time he got to your last post! Whatever, as the kids say nowadays, LOL!!!