Hi Guy's, like to add my two cents worth. I have hunted since i can walk and i am now 46. I farm, raise beef, and i hunt deer and turkeys in OH and WV every year. I have been fortunate to hunt National forest DIY ELK in ID, DIY Pronghorn in WY on public land, as well as DIY ELK in CO on public land, from 2007 to this past season and i can say this. The slob hunters are F'ing it all up for everyone. We need to do a better job self-policing ourselves, speak up about this new threat from the politicians and civil servants, but run the truck hunting and ATV trail-jumpers, and litter-throwing, game-herding, guys shooting the place all up, sounds like World War Three all coming from one rifle, dis-respectful of other people and their camps, fools out of and off the public lands, then maybe we would have the respect of the public at large and the legislators. I remember when to be an outdoorsman or woman meant you lived up to a certain code of safety and ethics, now its all about the "Here's to me-screw you" attitude i see displayed by many, if not most of the other hunters i encounter out there. We as Hunters are in the publics crosshairs and we need to stay sharp and self police ourselves, we need to stay together to fight the gun and land grabbers. And we need to take kids outside and spend time with them right.?