I have been going out to the club and shooting offhand every other week and getting in one or two sessions. I have really improved my offhand shooting. I am far away from being competitive in a trophy shoot. Today's target was a fluke, but i do shoot one hole groups at 25 yards with all my "round ball twist" rifles. My 50 and 75 yard groups range from baseball to grapefruit size. Depending on the day. We don't want to talk about my 100 yard offhand shooting!