Thanks for the info Bareback. The .410 he' s shooting is an old single shot that' s really a little too big for him. He' s shooting skeet with the 3" mags in it and has not complained about recoil even after a few boxes of shells although there is a nice bruise on his shoulder the next day. I may ask around and see if I can borrow a 25-06 that he can try out. He' s got a really gentle trigger finger and I don' t want to do anything to mess that up.