woohooo!!! The Optima did great with 70gr APP 3f, plastic wad and the 250 REAL! The crud ring however was horrible. I started off at 60 yards and got my sights adjusted and had my final 2 shots over lapping! Went back to 100 yards and took more more shot and was dead center but 4" low. I plan on trying this a lot more but with BH209 and Pyrodex RS later down the road.