I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. No one can refute the fact that it does affect the herd as a whole in Va. I sure as heck can't tell how big a deer is when it's running at mach speed with dogs hot on their heals. I enjoy hunting with dogs but I will throw a party with all the trimmings when they ban deer hunting with them. It's time to move on and get with the times. But that's just me though.