I just wanted to thank everyone for all the help. My Applegate, Oregon muzzleloader season opens the 12th. Our gang of hunters all have Knight Bighorns and disc extremes(western conversion kits) with Williams peeps and Dans 460 No excuses bullets. We have already seen some 140+ class true blacktails. I'm after the 150 class myself. I will post pics of the harvest soon I hope..Thanks again for all the help.