dblj, some young bucks are starting to chase does now, but nothing serious, the closer to november we get, the harder the rut is going to come on. We saw a half dozen young bucks out buttin heads, messin around the other day and today i saw a young 4 point chasing a doe and found a scrape right by where i saw it. Im in Nashville IL, not real far from you. so i think as the month goes on and the weather gets cooler the ruts going to kick into swing earlier than usual.