I use it for a back-up load and can't find it anywhere no more. Anyone still see it on the shelf anymore? Will be really broken hearted if I can't find another 8lb jug. I have tried Longshot, Blue Dot and Herco and can't find a load that patterns as well as this and with rather mild recoil compared to other loads I have tried. I use it with an 1-3/8ths of copper shot in a 2-3/4" AA hull.