sconny...I didn't fall off the boat just the other day. Everything you said about rifle hunting I knew. I hunted with a 7mm for many years, and yes practiced and was very capable of 300+ yard shots and harvested deer at that range. But as I grew older and realized the direction our DNR was taking our deer herd I gave up rifle hunting for several reason's as have many of my neighbors. And I will refrane from writting that book on this silly forum. I have my opinion and you are entitled to yours. But the hunters in my neighborhood choose to manage for quality not quanity....and we still eat a lot of venison.