I looked at those first, but none of them have any specs (length, length of pull, weight, etc). I really think the Hot Shot is perfect. I love the size and weight (3lbs!), the peep sites, the fact that it's ambidextrous, the fact that is a single shot (can just keep clickin' or cycling the bolt), and the fact that the only way for it to go bang is if the hammer is fully ****ed and then trigger depressed. I can't think of a better first gun.