Like I said, when I know I've got the potential for shooting ducks and geese in the same outing, I take nothing but 3" #2 HeviMetal's. They kill clean for me out of my Xtrema 2 using HeviMetal waterfowl xtended range choke, but I've patterned that load and choke combo so I'm confident in it. Plus, the HeviMetal is competitively priced to Black Cloud, Blind Side, etc. Good luck.