Originally Posted by
emtrescue6
First off, you ask people help and "opinions" yet you give them crap when they do respond?
Anyway, Sheridan is correct in pointing out 2 important points...1. You're rifle may not like the 85g Ballistic Silver Tips, so you may need to try several options when finding the round your rifle likes. 2...25-06 ammo is only going to get harder to find and more spendy (unless you reload).
Personally, for a first bolt rifle, the 25-06 isn't what would top my list of options, that being said, for some reason you are dead set on it. With that I offer some options...
But first, a question...does that $500 limit include glass? (glass, rings/mounts will likely add at least $300 to the package for basic quality glass)
Of the rifles you list, the only one I would ever consider owning it the TC...all the rest are junk IMHO!
Assuming your limit of $500 does NOT include scope, etc...here are some options...these prices were obtained after a quick internet search...
Tikka T-3 lite: $509 (scope rings/bases included)
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/cat...-24.5in-black/
Savage 111: $451 (scope included and an accu-trigger)
http://www.jetguns.com/savage-111fxp...ope-p-882.html
Savage Edge: $361 (scope included)
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/...%2BJDyOLrQE%3D
Weatherby Vanguard: $436
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/73930-1.html (guaranteed SUB-MOA ...as long as the shooter does their part)
Any of the above rifles, with the right ammo and the shooter doing their job will produce MOA or better results @ 100 yards...more than good enough for a deer hunt anywhere in North America...and meet your $500 range...and would all be on my list if I were in your seat.
I have no idea what you mean when you said "yet you give them crap when they do respond"?
Are you talking about me asking about the wood stock? I honestly have no idea if a synthetic stock or a wood stock affects performance, so I was asking. My firearm experience consists of only shooting military weapons (m16a2, M4, M249SAW, M2 .50 cal, Mk19, At4) that all have synthetic bodies and stocks. Truly I do not know if a wood stock help's with accuracy or not? If it does, then I would be game for getting one vs a synthetic. If it is just for cosmetic reasons then that's a matter of personal opinion and won't influence my decision.
Are you talking about me asking the first poster about all the different firearms he linked? If so I stated in my first post that I was only looking at 25-06's and then he posted links to a bunch of 270's. In my reply I also detailed what all I had read about the guns he listed, not on my own personal opinion. He came back later and said he was just linking models, not caliber's?
If it was something other than those two instances then I am missing what your talking about?
25-06 = The reason I am dead set on it is that I am sharing this rifle (just this deer season) with my 10 year old son who has never shot anything more than a bb-gun. I have read in many places that the 243 is ideal for young shooters. According to
Chuck Hawks Rifle Recoil table the 25-06 (@12.5) is closest to the 243 (@11) in recoil. Not only that according to
Winchesters Ballistics Calculator it has the least amount of bullet drop over any rifle listed in the tool. Better than a 300WSM, heck even better than a 8mm Mauser... and don't forget it has nearly the same recoil as a youth 243. As for the availability of ammo and that specific caliber trending out, I have found that nearly every major firearm manufacturer makes a 25-06 in one or more different models. Due to that, I don't see it going anywhere in the next 2 years and I don't plan to spend more than a year on this rifle, since next year I'm going to the 300wsm. It's not a big deal if it does get phased out and the gunshop were I buy at says they will order ammo for me if they don't have it.
The 500$ limit is for the gun only. the scope has a 300$ limit that I was hoping to get help from later on.
That savage 111FXP3 is showing for a tad over 600$ on Savage's website. Why would it be 150$ less on that site? I have never ordered firearms online and I don't have a FFL, so the gun shop here in town would have to order it and they charge 40$ for that.
Other people have posted that the guns I have listed might not shoot the Winchester Ballistic Silvertip 85gr's very well. I have read that rifle's often perform better with a set type of round and the only way to find out which on it is, is to test them out. Is that what you guy's are referring to or is there some well known specific reason that those rifles wont shoot that round well? Again, I am just going off what I have read in online reviews and manufacturer tables and charts. I have not fired a weapon since my days in the Marine Corps and that was about 15 years ago.