Take them SST & FTX bullets and use them for practice, then go buy yourself some Barnes TEZ or expander MZ bullets to hunt with.guys over at monster muley site are taking elk regularly out to 150 yds with Barnes .250 gr bullets, although i personally think the .295 &.300 gr are better elk medicine. these are big bulls taken with these bullets not spikes and cows.if you want to shoot on the cheap, the .250 gr or .300 gr deep curls are great also..