Originally Posted by
sproulman
in cold weather with heavy clothes on the VIPER top is too tight for me at 6/1 and 210pds.
in archery at 60 degrees out, it was fine.
my 180 MAX has goliath floor.
they changed floor too TITAN floor in 2010 on 180 MAX .
i like lots of room so bigger is better for me but it means more weight to carry,about 3 extra pounds.
viper rail is too close to top of my knees while sitting. the 180 MAX has curved rail and my kness fit in much better.
you cant sit on 180 max rail but some do to climb.i did not like switching seat around so i found if i doubled seat up and secured with bungee cord, I DID NOT HAVE TO SWITCH SEAT AROUND AND I CAN CLIMB FINE WITH IT THAT WAY .
so, if i had choice between VIPER/180 MAX it would be max.but the viper is much better to carry.
i use molle 11 which helps but i do hate extra weight of the max.
The 180 Max looks like it would be a great stand.
To correct for my knees being too close to the rail on the Viper, I lower the seat cushion and simply raise the top portion to where my knees and legs are comfortable. During bow season I have my knees closer to the rail. This allows me to ensure my lower cam or limb on my bow does not hit.
Come rifle season I lower the seat cushion down a little farther. Personally I'm more comfortable with the rear of the seat cushion just a tad lower than the front. This is very comfortable for me and I can sit from daylight to dark during rifle and muzzleloader seasons.