Gm54-120
Now i can see how that could possibly happen but i am still curious about his results vs the HSB. IMO both should be good sabots and handle 100gr of BH209 easily.
Number one... I agree they are both good products, it just comes down to to personal preference and maybe even price of the product. The Harvesters generally cost a lot less per 50 than the MMP and that will always draw a following.
I have used them both including the short black but still prefer the longer petals to help get the sabot off the bullet sooner out of the bore.
Powder cup - I do not think there is much doubt in my mind that the cup on the harvester is thicker than the MMP which does result in the cup appearing to be less stressed than you see with a MMP. But in the same vain I believe the cup of the MMP will conform (fit itself) to the lands and grooves of the bore in hunting weather than does the Harvester. Does it make a real difference - I do not actually know - but it seems like it should.
Monolithic bullets can be much tougher on a sabot since the metal wont obturate.
Would you consider the Lehigh bullet monolithic? I certainly have shot a lot of these with both sabots with 120+ grain loads of T7 and BH. The recovered harvester always looks some what better than the MMP, but I have not seen a lot of difference at the target.
Using the example of the monolithic bullet that does not obturate - I would think it would be that much more important for the cup to dip into the grooves and create a tight seal. That seal at the moment of ignition is important and is probably more stressed at that point than any other time in its trip up the bore.
IMO if Grouse is using the HSB too, there is a reason why
You are correct and a lot of that is price. Tom and I have already talked about that even got a little heated about it... When he can get Harvesters for $4-$5 dollars a pack why wouldn't he shoot them as much testing as he does. MMP's are much more expensive unless you buy them in quanity like I do directly from MMP.
We both agree, we do not shoot the most accurate combination in the world. We both agree that there are more consistently accurate bullets on the market than we choose to shoot. We both agree if we were shooting paper for money we would use a different combination. But at the same time, we both agree the combination we choose to shoot has the best terminal performance on the market and the accuracy of the combination is bettter than most but certainly well within the range of hunting accuracy.
My thoughts are just that my thoughts, I do not like Chevy's either but nobody seems to listen to that one either, except I still think the F-150 is the best selling pickup even though I drive a 250.