Well yesterday I shoot my .22 and .44 mag. and used the Montana Xtreme cleaning products for the first time. Normally I use Hoppe's but I thought Id give Montana Xtreme a try. What I difference! It cut my cleaning in half and did a better job! Now i know that atleast for a muzzleloader the Bore Conditioner doesn't work but I havn't tested it for centerfires yet. But the other cleaners are fantastic! So good bye Hoppe's #9 ! I will warn you though, the smell is pretty burtal!