I' ve had close encounters with more than a few wise old bucks and have not been busted once in my fall gray predator. I even walked down an open logging road and came within 50-60 yds of 2 P&Y bucks and 4 does last year. The fall gray will even suffice for early conditions, especially in a treestand. Toss some in a bush and stand back 20-30 yards and squint your eyes. The edges will disappear. Good stuff!