Second on the Scorpion PT Golds. I shoot these with CR Sabots both for target and hunting. They come in 240gr, 260gr and 300 gr. I taget with the 240gr mostly with low recoil and great accuracy. A slight powder increase and minor scope adjustment and the 260gr flies just perfect,one more powder increase and slight scope adjustment and the 300gr is right on. Cost about $23.00 per 50, $8.00 for sabots, plus shipping. Order more than 50 at a time and save money on shipping. (www.harvestermuzzleloading.com)