Thank you for the help if I get a chance and the good lord blesses me with a oppertunity I'm defiantly going to take him he is a Ghost in Hunting season but I'm hoping this will be the year in 2010 out of the same tree I took a 150" 9 pointer with 23" spread I live in Virginia so that a huge deer for this area and it looks like this guy is going to be a bit bigger then the one I previously got. Thanks again I really appriciate the info