I just got some from Dicks sporting goods its called "throw n grow" I did a bag of the mixed rye grass and it took right off. the clovers doing good too... Its summer forage.. and the clover is perinnal.. but well see if it survives next year. I just found some spots with a little light (maybe 2 hrs) of mixed sun light/ shade. Its moist down there all the time, as its a ravine/ 200 year water shed. Just raked the leaves back, and hit the soil with a metal rake. Tossed it out like grass seed. KABOOOM its about 5" tall in just 3 weeks. I guess I could go fertilize it, but im lazy