I currently have a gorilla climber stand, so far so good.. minus the weight.. sucker is heavy for a long haul. And I have to set it just right to be able to "lean" out, clear the gun bar, and take a shot... However I do like the security and ease of climbing with it. But have been coinsidering a open faced climbing stand like the summit open shot, or similar style stand. Whats your opinion on these? Ill know Ill miss my bar cause I have things attached to it and can lean on it, but Ide rather have better shots.