Thanks Zubba, think they have balls because there just don't seem to be many mature toms around, I never did see a mature bird at this spot in the 2 times i hunted it. When i shot mine it was 4 jakes with about 8 hens. Thought it was odd to have a group like that with no toms. But next yr will hopefully be pretty good there, Should be tons of 2 yr olds out there and all those jakes seem to be really big for our area, mine was 17 lbs, and they all look about the same size as that one, the descent toms we have taken in the past few yrs only average a little over 18 lbs.