They are far better than any other APP that i remember using and that includes GOEX Pinnacle, which was made by APP.

Also I don think they are sp low as to trash the powder as another garden fertilizer. There really may be a place for this powder... maybe

One thing we have found out is that APP is possibly placing the restrictions on the powder since it can be started with a #11 cap and may be used in guns other than a modern day inline. Their thought was that 100 grains of their new powder will equal the power of 150 grains of regular BP, excluding Swiss and the Pyros. So their restrictions may be in place to protect themselves from the liabilties of someone shooting older guns, especially some of the imported guns.

My next try out will be in a 50 cal DISC Elite with the 275 grain Lehigh.

O45 - I want to work with it just a bit more before I go that route...