You can scratch in pine straw, at 75yds he Han hear a cat poot! LOL! yea, scratching and purring would be the best bet. Ive also had luck with fighting purrs at longer distances. I had a bird hang up a ridge over from me that answered every call I made but wouldn't come in, not even the silent treatment worked! After deciding he was in a strut zone I cut, and when he answered, I used my gobble tube. About 5 min. went by, and I herd drumming, it was him, and he left with me! That being said, I've only spooked birds with the gobble tube on other hunts, and would only use it as a last resort now.