Originally Posted by
builder459
Mike i agree with you on Barnes bullets penseling through on a lot of there center fire bullets. i feel this is due to the small hollow points on those rounds.this is "absolutely" not the case with there M/L line of bullets. the Expander MZ,spitfire TMZ or the TEZ. have nice big hollow points like the Lehigh bullets you use and expand at all ranges excellent. the only one i would not use in the M/L line up is the spitfire MZ, due to it's small hollow point. which i have read as sometimes having the penciling through problem.
Ray, since I am not a Barnes fan, i really can not keep straight what bullets are what bullet in their line. I know I shot 300 grain Expanders ( I think they were expanders) at one time and never had a problem with them at all.
Here is a picture of whay i used way back then... I still have a couple left...
But when you read through some of the posts on the different ML sights every once and awhile some one mentions a Barnes penciling on a close range shot on the thin skinned whitetail, I have no idea which model that might be...
like the center fire Barnes with there small hollow point. in fact the MZ and the TEZ look almost identical to your Lehighs in the same weight class, exception being the Lehigh is a bit longer due to it lighter weight material.Like you i know quite a few people who have had penciling through problems with Barnes center fire rounds and like you in center fire rifles i always used noslers. but in the M/L arena Barnes bullets are at the top of the heap.the expander MZ is the top dog in premium M/L bullets and terminal performance with the flat based TEZ looking exactly like it except for the poly tip for the additional BC benefit at longer ranges.i think the Lehigh is a great bullet and heads above most, but i have seen nothing that shows me it will kill any better than a Expander MZ or the TEZ Barnes at all FPS ranges..on a side note, i would probably still shoot noslers if they were still making the sizes i prefer weight and diameter wise. Ray
You know when I person gets comfortable and gains confidence in the bullet they are using it is very difficult to change... It surely was for me, but now that I have made the switch to the Lehigh - I never look back. When you see what occurs inside and the fact the bullet changes from a hollow point to a blunt Kieth Nose as it passes through the organs causing additional damage - it is tremendous. And to be sure so does the Barnes and the Nosler, but from what I have observed the shock and trama that an animal feels is probably more than I was getting with the Noslers. My feeling has always been if you can create enough immediate shock to the animal you can often over-ride the flight response of the animal. If you can make it go into immediate shock you have won the battle and often the war.
Europeans routinely hunt with rifles of much smaller caliber than we do and with this type of bullet you can do that yet still harvest cleanly and humainly....
Like I said we all develope our favorites and really have a difficult time wth change, anyway I do... but if we do not step out there and try new stuff, we would all still be shooting flintlocks...