These are my black powder babies. The top one is a handmade pennsylvania long rifle from the late Tom Ball of Ball Accuracy in Pennsylvania (my great uncle). The bottom one is a S Hawken that was from his private collection. He was an awesome black powder gunsmith and both rifles are extremely accurate. I have killed deer with both of these weapons, however I am EXTREMELY picky about what type of weather/hunting situations I have ever taken these guns out in. BTW these are true black powder guns and may only be shot with black powder/patch and ball. None of that new fancy stuff. Just thought I would share. Thanks.