I got a chance to check out some of Sabotloaders Knights, SWEET thanks Mike. The white was a little big and bulky for me but the DISC Extreme was just right! I have got to have one of those. I also love the camo stock and the laminated stock that Knight shows on their web sight. I can't do the black composite now not after seeing these other stocks. I pulled the plug on the Bighorn I had purchased but not picked up yet, got to have the disc extreme.