Muley theres all kinds of places on the web that sell cheap lead bullets in bulk. so cheap in fact the only difference between the RB price and them is the sabots. sabots are not that expensive.them Thors / reworked barnes are real expensive. i thought you were shooting the PT golds? there reasonably priced.. i originally shot the Barnes (expensive) been trying same weight Deep curls/ gold dots. if the GD/DC don't give me the long range accuracy i want. i will shoot the same weight DC/GD and hunt with the Barnes, to save money. Ray