It is mostly the gun. I got a new Savage and with 7 5 shot groups I've not been over an inch yet. I put the scope off the Rem and on the Savage so it isn't the scope. I like the gun, just don't shoot well. Plenty good enough for deer though. My son might use it for now on. His gun is a H&R super light. It shoots really bad. 5" groups @ 100 yds. is not good enough.