Originally Posted by Gm54-120

CVA didnt offer a 45cal Optima in 2009. They only offered it in the top of the line Accura and Apex until recently they added it to a few cheaper Accuras. They did offer it in the Optima "Elite" and the older nickel Optima (i think).

I had a Accura 45 and the cheapest i ever saw them was $389 even several months after the V2s came out. Good shooter too but didn't handle hotter loads as well as my Elite.

As far as twist, a 1-20 isnt bad at all. Many SML 45s are 1-18 to 1-22 twist and shoot a 195 or 200gr well past 2700fps. Using Bh209 a faster twist might also help it build pressure at a better curve with some bullets. A few of the guys here and on MM love their Knight and White 45cal 1-20s.

Just try getting one of them to sell you one.

Most guys aren't going to shoot sub 180gr 40s anyway so you might as well go heavier and make it a real longer range 45. I shoot a cast 260gr 40cal for fun in my 1-30 at 1950fps but i bet a faster twist would improve the groups.