thanks guys,

i will know more about the twist once it is in my hand more, forgot to check to see when it was made, sometimes that helps to figure out what the most likely twist would be.

i don't think my local source for real black has 4f but i do know that they have 3f. already been on graf & sons website and priced out powder. just gotta talk jess into letting me buy an bulk. lol

md, i have those powerbelts on hand. also have lee reals on hand too to play with.

really hoping to get out of layaway sooner then I am planning that way i can get all the info i really need.