All my riles have scopes of some sort,except the Win. 94 22 mag.but it' s waiting for me to pick up the mounts for the 4x i have it lined up for.My main hunting rifle has see-trough mounts[wasn' t going to give up my irons]. I do believe beginners should start with irons, if for no other reason than to limit shot range.By doing this the new hunter will have to learn the art of stalking and of tracking, if the animal is gone when he gets to his comfortable shooting location.This works until he learns to start taking farther and farther shots.My irons are now 1 inch high at 100 yrds.Scope is set for 300. Decided to get scope AFTER I started taking mulies past the 400 range,but feel the glass gives me the option of going out to 600 IF NEED BE.