T/C renegade .54 cal 430 gr maxi ball. now that's hole.when it comes to a pure lead conical bullet, the heavy weight conicals are the all around better choice IMHO, especially at closer ranges. theres simply more bullet mass that's going to stay together.there awesome at longer ranges also with the retained energy.any .250-300 pure lead bullet, conical or otherwise, without some kind of copper jacket IMHO, will not hold together well at closer ranges. especially with high powder charges of say 100-120 grs.the maxiball round i used in my old .54, absolutely devastated the 4 deer i hit with it. shortest shot was 50 yds longest was 100 yds.every animal was stone dead after being hit with that big old conical..