thanks for all the advise guys! I just dont understnad how the first hunt, that many deer, and the second, poof, none at all! but i havnt been in there in a while, thinking of goin tonight. The property is 50 acres of hill basically. the land owners dont want us shooting does tho...so Im limited to bucks right now. the stand i was in was a Strong Built Chain on...so Its permanent for the moment. again, I appreciate all the advice and good luck hunting!!!