I have (3) ol man climbers. I started out with the summit viper and couldnt stand it. I felt it was loud setting up, as well as going up the tree, but it sure was comfortable. That was about 5-6 years ago. Since then I fell in love with the ol man. They are quiet, easy to setup and break down, and they are super comfortable. The thing I love most about the ol man is with the net seat I like to sit facing the tree to give me more cover. The ol man allows you to do this with the net style seat. You can sit either way, I just prefer to sit facing the tree. Im a bigger guy so I have the original grand ol man and it treated me well. Used it so much I just ordered the facelift kit for it. Last year I bought the steel grand multivision and loved it. A little heavy but the new modifications were great. TThis year I went out and bought the pro aluminum grand multivision and its by far the greatest stand ever. Super lightweight along with everything else. Hope this helps.