NyBowhuntr, They might be Blackhawk Vapors i have a hard time with them to the inserts wont stay in and ive lost some fletchons too if you ever find carbon arrows cheap say from $3.50 down dont buy them they suck @$$ ive found that out plenty of times but im stickin with my Beman ISC' s i dunno what the deal is Very few good arrow companys arund these days but i heard a guy say once if you dont get the surce cleaned with some sort of cloth i forgot what it was he said that the fletchons will never stick and cure properly im thinkin of makeing my own arrows if i was you id get a jig for 25.00 and put the fletchons back on and find some nitwit that needs a lesson taught to and sell em to him. cause we all had to learn the hard way too