LOL,I was thinking the same thing. This thread has certainly been an entertaining read(mainly due to one who seems to know much more than I apparently ever will). We are very lucly and blessed that we live in a country where we can argue about the quality of rifle companies instead of bigger issues. I have been fortunate enough to shoot many rifles from several manufactuers both domestic and foreign. In the end find one that you are comfortable with and enjoy. There are no perfect companies and luckily no real bad ones either. There is just personal choice and usually pretty good products. My one comment is that as someone who has been in the outdoor business,for better or worse,I can say that the biggest issue is Price Point. You will never find a great scope on a package rifle,and that is because Walmart,Bass Pro,ect... has told a manufacturer what they want and what the profit margin has to be. It is no reflection on the manufacturer,just a result of the demand for less expensive volume sales.